From: David M (davidint@blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Sat Oct 15 2005 - 19:35:59 BST
yeah really not sure we should locate experience in the brain,
I experience holding a particular cup only because a cup pattern is changing
the patterns of my hand, muscle pressure, nerve firings, so that
the experience is something that is happening as a relationship between
hand and cup, that experience has a certain quality, the brain comes in
perhaps when we want to relate that quality to certain prior experiences
or future intentions relating to the universal possibilities of cups
dm
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From: <platootje@netscape.net>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: MD Consciousness/MOQ, definition of
> Hello Dave,
>
> You wrote:
> I guess we're saying more or less the same things. Trying not to apply
> any possibly confusing terms, I think it basically works like this: You
> got "stuff" in your brain. You get(/experience) external stimuli. Stimuli
> get filtered through the already existing "stuff" in your brain. You
> produce some result, be it a physical reaction or new "stuff" in your
> brain. Awareness/consciousness exists somewhere in this process, when new
> stimuli come in and new "stuff" is created.
>
> Do you agree so far?
>
> Me:
> Except for the conciousness being created thru that process. But this is
> the tricky part. Being aware, or being consious is experienced by means of
> realizing that you are, or that you think. So it's isolating a 'self' from
> the rest. 'I' am, or 'I' think. So it's creating a duality, there is an
> 'I' so automatically the rest of the world becomes a not 'I'.
> The brain provides the organic means to intellectualize about this, but
> it's not the source of the awareness, or consiousness that exists before
> the intellectualization creates a duality out of it.
> Can you follow me?
>
> Kind regards,
> Reinier.
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