Re: MD The SOL fallacy was the intelligence fallacy (was Rhetoric)

From: ian glendinning (psybertron@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Oct 18 2005 - 11:01:07 BST

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    Scott you said to me:
    I have to say that I am getting somewhat exasperated by your response. I
    have tried to get a dialogue going by saying what intellect means to me ...

    I do apologise, my intent is not to frustrate. As I say, keeping the
    dialogue going exactly that way is all I want to do too - it's the
    only way to progress. The linguistic aside I made was simply to
    unblock where I though the argument had stuck on unrecognised
    misunderstandings over different usages of the word - "intellect" in
    this case, "judging value" in another DMB / Matt thread.

    So taking up a point ...
    You said
    Changing the way one thinks about intellect also means changing the
    way one thinks about DQ, and I think that is really what drives DMB up
    a wall.

    I'm not sure I agree. Changing the way one thinks about intellect (and
    consciousness and rationality, etc) is the key driver for this wider
    debate, but I've not seen anything that suggests a rethinking of DQ. I
    thought Mark's DESRIP summary had that pretty well captured for our
    MoQ needs. (You're one of those people who thinks MoQ is wrong or
    broken, no ? I'm one who thinks it's pretty well right, just in need
    of a few clarifications - weeding out a few confusions, many of them
    introduced by Pirsig or with his collusion. Let me recap the thread
    whilst you explain what needs "re-thinking" about DQ.)

    Ian

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