From: ian glendinning (psybertron@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Oct 21 2005 - 00:43:12 BST
Mark you said
I undeserstand biologists have a tight definition of what passes for
life, but this is going to have to change. It's got to go. That which
will replace the biologists definition of life will be a definition
based upon cybernetics i feel ...
I do keep saying "life" not "biology" for that reason - biology just
happened to be the most obvious form of life anyone had experienced
(so far) - I also said the chemical / biological debates about
replicating "genetic" materials rage on anyway. Carbon biology has no
monopoly on life. (Life is more fundamental than any particular form
of life.)
You also said
As an MOQer, i see an opportunity to provide a metaphysical basis for
cybernetic self organising systems.
Me too, methinks
I don't know whether you've ever noticed, but it was cybernetics that
took me into the surpising turn into the fundamentals of "quantum
information" - from which I've not yet emerged. (See my blogs about
BCS Cybernetics group, etc - several recently)
Exciting times
Ian
On 10/20/05, mark maxwell <laughingpines@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hello Ian,
> nothing specific here, just wanted to thank you for
> clarification.
>
> I shall add though, that Plotinus regarded rocks to be
> as 'in a deep sleep'. I think he regarded living
> entities to lie on a continuum between matter and
> Intellect - matter is as asleep and intellect is wide
> awake.
>
> Pirsig has stated that plotinus is close to his own
> view, so i think this may be significant:
> All levels are alive in that they express value
> patterns.
> I undeserstand biologists have a tight definition of
> what passes for life, but this is going to have to
> change. It's got to go.
> That which will replace the biologists definition of
> life will be a definition based upon cybernetics i
> feel, and particularly with reference to any self
> organising system - material, biological, social and
> Intellectual, AI and all sorts of stuff.
>
> Now, as an MOQer, i see an opportunity to provide a
> metaphysical basis for cybernetic self organising
> systems, and that is a direction i think will bare
> fruit.
>
> All the best,
> Mark
>
>
>
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