Re: MD The SOL fallacy was the intelligence fallacy (was Rhetoric)

From: Scott Roberts (jse885@localnet.com)
Date: Thu Oct 27 2005 - 16:54:45 BST

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    David M,

    DM said:
    It is a worthwhile campaign.
    I refer to DQ as unique term that can and should carry
    multiple suggestions.

    Scott:
    I can't really quarrel with this, as I too use DQ in this way. Except when I
    want to emphasize that DQ is DI, at which time I guess I would prefer to
    just say "the dynamic", since DI is also not the full picture.

    - Scott

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    > David M,
    >
    >>
    >>> Scott:
    >>> I've got no real quarrel with the general idea here, just that it denies
    >>> intellect the role that you are giving to DQ. As always, I do not
    >>> understand
    >>> the reluctance to refer to that which lays down "high level intellectual
    >>> SQ"
    >>> as intellect. We think. We are not just conduits for some divine force.
    >>>
    >>
    >>
    >> DM: I think a unique term can avoid the built up associations of the old
    >> term,
    >> I agree that DQ implies aspects of agency, value, intellect. I might add
    >> eros, the quality of secondary qualities, etc. Sure we are individuals
    >> and may be in a unique position to think something new, but are we the
    >> author's of this power/capacity? Of course, being inseparable from a
    >> divine power we are identical with it too. Contradictory identity?
    >
    > Scott:
    > Yes. One cannot say that we are divine conduits. One cannot say we are not
    > divine conduits. One cannot say we are and are not divine conduits. One
    > cannot say we neither are nor are not divine conduits.
    >
    > Yes, there are other words, like eros, that one can add to the three that
    > I
    > keep talking about (value, intellect, consciousness) as all being names
    > for
    > the same (non-)thing.
    >
    > I'm not sure what your are referring to as "a unique term" versus "old
    > term", nor about associations. The reason I harp on the "intellect is
    > quality" business is that I think it important that certain associations
    > that, for example, Pirsig holds with the term 'intellect' be broken, and
    > new
    > ones established. It also means that if we want to think about DQ and SQ
    > and
    > how they interoperate, we need only think about our own thinking.
    >
    > - Scott

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