From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Thu Nov 03 2005 - 16:05:02 GMT
Hi Mike,
> Greetings to you Platt, ever the one to ask perfectly reasonable
> questions that REALLY exasperate people,
I'm flattered. Thanks. There are some here who don't find me reasonable at
all. :-)
> Mike:
> Okay. So you're saying that if small self didn't exist, we could never have
> big self... maybe so. Someone more knowledgeable about Buddhism than I,
> might disagree with that. But that's not the issue for me. The issue for me
> is: even if we accept that one must have experienced small self in order to
> experience big self, why does it follow, as you seem to say it does, that
> making the transition (by whatever means) cannot be a good thing?
Did I say or imply that? If so, I take it back and apologize for being
unclear. I "transition" (if that's the word) to the Big Self on a regular
basis in pursuing beauty through art. I wouldn't want to deny that or
similar experience to anyone.
> Mike:
> Okay, but I was talking about something a bit different - not high
> quality patterns of the organisation of society as a whole (free
> speech etc), but ways to improve everyday social encounters. That's
> the function of the glass of wine at the shared meal. "Social
> lubricant", as Rebecca said.
Yes. The glass of wine, the cocktail party, the beer bust -- all ways to
reduce inhibitions and "lubricate" everyday social encounters. I have no
objection until the "party" gets out of hand and becomes destructive of
people and/or property.
[Platt]
> > So awareness/consciousness of elves, unicorns and little grey men with
> > big bug eyes from outer space qualifies as "reality (as Quality)"?
> Mike:
> Yup, if you can actually have awareness of those things. I never have.
>
> Of course, you can (and should) surround the experience with SQ things like
> "this Quality event was drug-induced, so don't try telling people tomorrow
> that you were really visited by aliens". But the Quality event still
> occured.
Interesting. I wonder if others would agree that Quality events can occur
when inebriated? If so, it might be taken as an open invitation to
debauchery. Is that the message we conclude from the MOQ and want it to
endorse?
Again, my apologies if I've snipped something without saying so that
results in a distortion of your views.
Best,
Platt
>
> > > Incidentally, I'd appreciate it if you didn't cut sentences out of my
> > > writing when you insert your replies, without indicating this with
> > > "<snip>" or something similar.
> >
> > A thousand apologies.
>
> Mike:
> It's not the cutting of large chunks that I object to, so much as the
> cutting of sentences, which can knowingly or unknowingly distort
> arguments.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
>
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