From: bahna@rpi.edu
Date: Mon Mar 10 2003 - 03:22:52 GMT
DMB says to Matt EE:
That's all you got? Just ignore me? My philosophy love it or leave it? Is
that what you're saying? Well, that's not very sporting of you. (Yes, more
goading.) I don't want to ignore you. I want to comprehend what you're
saying. This is why I object to the technical jargon. This is why I ask you
to speak more simply and clearly. This is why I ask questions and raise
objections.
Andy to David:
Your failure to understand Matt is your problem not his.
DMB continues:
And for the most part, my questons and objections are just a few repeated
over and over in different ways and its seems that you just can't or won't
answer them clearly and directly. Its always some kind of brush off or a
reassertion of the statements and ideas that confused me in the first
place. See, I think it is you who are already ignoring me. You're free to
do that, but I wish you wouldn't.
Andy says:
Matt is taking the right course of ignoring you after answering your
questions over and over again. You are really being a $#!@% (rhymes with
tick) here David. I, for the life of me do not understand your refusal to
read Matt more carefully and thoughtfully. As you once said in a post to
Matt, "It ticks me off because I know you are intelligent." You just don't
even give him a chance.
DMB's questions:
Let me repeat the major questions...
Why not speak simply and clearly?
Andy (for Matt-sorry Matt if I am treading on your area here):
It takes two to communicate. take the time to read his thoughts carefully.
DMB:
Why combine a mystical metaphysics with Rorty's anti-metaphysical ideas?
Andy:
For you to pick on Matt for failing to get a point accross after spending
months of futility to get your point accross to MOQ'rs about the mystical
foundations of Pirsig's MOQ is the height of hypocricy.
DMB:
Why ignore the profound distinctions between religion and metaphysics?
Andy:
Because these "profound distinctions" are not as important to Matt as they
are to you. he thinks the similarities might be more interesting.
DMB:
Why do you hardly ever discuss the actual structure of the MOQ?
ANDY:
Read his essay thoroughtly
DMB:
Why is Pirsig's non-technical use of the word "metaphysics" not legitimate?
Andy:
Why do you ask an answer over and over again if it has already been
answered on numerous other occasions.
DMB:
Please don't refer me to your essay. I can't penetrate the jargon. It
hurts. It actually, physically hurts to try to read it. As my toothless
uncle
Bubba says, "Talk normal, will ya!"
Andy:
You are a lazy S.O.B.. I sound more like your toothless uncle Bubba than
you realize.
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