Re: MD Chaos and its role in Evolution

From: David M (davidint@blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Mon Oct 31 2005 - 20:35:49 GMT

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    Case

    It looked like you did not get my point but then you got better....

    My point of course is that prior to selection or order there
    has to be an underlying infinity and that this assumption
    is ignored in all SQ seeking theories. Or in other words
    DQ prior to SQ as you say. I quite like the idea that DQ
    (infinity) has to withdraw to allow SQ (finity) to exist.

    David M

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Case" <Case@ispots.com>
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    Subject: RE: MD Chaos and its role in Evolution

    > [DM]
    > I have always thought that Darwin's theory relies on variety as an
    > unexplained assumption.
    > [Case]
    > Natural selection relies on having something around to select. When the
    > going get really tough and big chunk of nickle and iron falls out of the
    > sky, it is really nice to have lots to choose from. This is called
    > diversity: see Dawkin or Wilson or Gould. From a biological standpoint
    > diversity, not strength, is the highest good. Biodiversity increases the
    > probability that something, anything, will survive no matter what.
    >
    > [DM]
    > What do we mean by chaos?
    > [Case]
    > Modern notions of Chaos include that idea that even if there is
    > determinism,
    > the number of determining factors may be infinite and some of them are
    > governed by the uncertainty principle. As a result even though determinism
    > remains there is no way to know in advance what will be determined. This
    > in
    > effect turns the universe into a very probablistic place. We can only say
    > that the sun will most likely come up in the morning.
    >
    > [DM]
    > Can anything happen in a chaotic event?
    > [Case]
    > Given enough time and enough monkeys with typewriters there is a chance
    > that
    > Shakespeare will result.
    >
    > [DM]
    > Does chaos imply infinite possibilities?
    > [Case]
    > Or does infinite possibility imply chaos? See, now you are getting the
    > idea!
    > Actually since Mark won't be reading this it is safe for me to say once
    > again I think that Chaos is DQ and Order is SQ. Quality is a state in
    > which
    > thay are in balance. Or to be more Pirsigarian, Chaos and Order are the
    > product of Quality. Especially when you note that Order is merely a
    > special
    > case of Chaos. Seen in this way causality is just a special case of
    > Jungian
    > synchronicity (meaningful coincidence) in which the probablity of one
    > event
    > following another approaches 100 percent.
    >
    >
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