Re: MD 4th level - The more autonomous level.

From: ian glendinning (psybertron@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Nov 27 2005 - 13:02:42 GMT

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    Mark, a textual reference ? ...

    You said
    [QUOTE]
    Therefore, the 4th level is more autonomous than the
    social level.
    However, the 3rd level less autonomous than the 4th
    level.
    The 3rd level is autonomous in that it is more free
    from sq than the 2nd level.
    [UNQUOTE]

    You are saying the autonomy in levels 3 and 4 is simply a matter of
    degree, or degrees of sophistication. I'm agreeing, and pointed out
    that depending on your precise definition of autonomy, it's like
    saying intelligence is similarly graded throughout these two layers
    (if no all layers).

    If you're going to cast aspertions ...
    [QUOTE] However, this analysis of the MOQ displays a very poor
    understanding [UNQUOTE]

    Gimme an example from my words you're referring to ?
    Ian

    On 11/25/05, mark maxwell <laughingpines@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
    > Mark,
    >
    > What we're really stumbling over here is particular
    > kinds of
    > intelligent, teleological governance, and our problems
    > with defining "intellect" in level 4 (symbolic
    > manipulation being a part of it).
    >
    > Mark:
    > Ian, i have a hell of allot of resepct for you mate.
    > Make no mistake. And i am happy to support you because
    > you are a good man.
    > However, this analysis of the MOQ displays a very poor
    > understanding of MOW premises.
    >
    > Ian:
    > Your review of levels 3 & 4 above, shows that
    > intelligence (of sorts) is spread though the whole
    > socio-intellectual layer.
    >
    > Mark:
    > That is a statement i should very much wish you to
    > support with textual references. As far as i can
    > asertain, there are none.
    > The rest of your post is irrelevent Ian for me Ian.
    > I'll always take an interest in your work, but as far
    > as this post goes there is little MOQ here.
    > All the best,
    > Mark
    >
    >
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