Re: MD Status of ideas and god in the MOQ?

From: David M (davidint@blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Tue Nov 29 2005 - 18:47:13 GMT

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    status of god?

    well, experience is very hard to make sense of,
    we put together ideas to try and make sense of it,
    the 'world' is such an idea to make sense of a certain set of experience
    that can be explained by the idea 'world' but does not prove once and for
    all that there is a world. There are even more ultimate ideas that try to
    explain the ultimate set of experience, such is the idea of god or DQ & SQ.
    There is always a need for this ultimate idea. Our exposure to more
    experience and new ideas are bound to make us re-think our ultimate
    explanatory idea (god or whatever). Now, forme, this means that sure
    I cannot accept the traditional notion of god, new experience and ideas
    takeme elsewhere, but I have no desire to restrict my capacity to examine
    the most ultimate of ideas (an atheist simply restircts themselves in
    respect
    to this possibility) in a way to look for a new god. Pirsig distances the
    MOQ
    from god, but I think that it is somewhat misleading to talk of DQ/SQ in
    ultimate terms and not accept that this has someoverlap with what people
    have previosuly thought about god/gods,divine,given,etc.

    DM

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "ian glendinning" <psybertron@gmail.com>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:23 PM
    Subject: Re: MD Quality, subjectivity and the 4th level

    > Mike, you said to Mark
    > "Surely [you] realised that atheism requires just as much of a leap of
    > faith as theism does?"
    >
    > I've had that debate before. The way I see it that is kinda true, but
    > I prefer to characterise the atheist's "leap of faith" as a
    > "suspension of disbelief". An ongoing belief in "nature", even the
    > unexplained bits, until such time as proven / disproven, without
    > resorting to the "supernatural".
    >
    > Ian
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