Re: [MD] Platt and Arlo

From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Tue Dec 06 2005 - 12:12:11 GMT

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    > [Platt]
    > "And beyond that is an even more compelling reason; societies and thoughts
    > and principles themselves are no more than sets of static patterns.These
    > patterns can't by themselves perceive or adjust to Dynamic Quality. Only a
    > living being can do that." (Lila, 13)
    >
    > [Arlo]
    > You say this, again, as if my stance denies it. I don't. What you continue
    > to do is misequate "collective consciousness" with "societies".

    OK, I'll take you at your word. "Collective consciousness" isn't the same
    as society. But immediately you begin to say something else:

    > He also says that mental patterns are derived from social mediation.

    You bring in society as the foundation of thought, and then repeat the
    idea:

    > That
    > is, the "individual's" thoughts emerge through social mediation, not
    > independent from it.

    Then comes the big switch where society is suddenly replaced by
    "collective consciousness:"

    > So that "individual" who can respond to DQ, does so BY
    > VIRTUE of the collective consciousness.

    Perhaps before going any further you could clear up the difference between
    "society" and "collective." I don't see how why a "collective" of
    individuals doesn't equate to a "society" of individuals. In other words,
    what's the difference between "collective consciousness" and "social
    consciousness?"

    Thanks,
    Platt

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