RE: MD Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 15:08:00 -0700

From: Matt the Enraged Endorphin (mpkundert@students.wisc.edu)
Date: Tue Mar 11 2003 - 18:39:45 GMT

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    Platt,

    Let me be a bit more concrete about what I mean by audiences. I consider
    philosophy to be a particular hobby. Hobbies have there own rules. It is
    unfair to assume that everybody does or should know the rules of any
    particular hobby. For instance, one of the critiques of standardized tests
    in the 60s was that they refered to things unfairly that particular
    minority groups would have no knowledge of. One test made an analogy to
    football and the "gridiron." The person couldn't answer the question
    because it hinged on an analogy she didn't understand.

    So, is it fair to assume that everyone understand particular words in
    philosophy, like metaphysics or epistemology? I'd like to think that
    people are silently thinking, "No." However, can philosophy people talk
    about philosophy without using the words metaphysics or epistemology.
    Possibly, but not when they are talking about metaphysics or epistemology.
    So it comes down to a particular audience you are addressing.

    As such, I think Platt is absolutely right when he says, that "No one is
    obliged to read what someone writes, much less figure out what he means."
    It should be obvious given my recent statements that I agree with this.
    However, he follows with, "Clarity in writing ... is a sure sign of high
    intellectual quality." The most common objection to this is "Clarity for
    whom?" Platt might answer "the average newspaper reader." But why should
    the average newspaper reader be at all interested in philosophy? Platt is
    raising this standard called "Clarity," but it has never been clear in
    philosophy what clarity means. That's the simple lesson we take from
    Descartes who said that the foundation of our knowledge was on "clear and
    distinct ideas." No one's ever been able to make that pan out. So,
    clarity goes from a universal standard to being contingent on the audience.
     What's clear about American football to American football fans is not at
    all clear to those who have never heard of American football. One can
    explain football to the non-fan, but the efforts will start with a good
    deal of oversimplification until they start to feel comfortable with the
    main concepts. As they become comfortable with the rules, they can begin
    to learn the more sophisticated concepts.

    I agree when Platt bashes over-jargonizing. That doesn't help the
    layperson and it doesn't even necessarily help the specialist. But if a
    field like physics didn't develop some jargon to be specific about what it
    is talking about, then the discipline would stagnate. True, sometimes the
    jargon stagnates so that they appear as "cultural immune systems." But
    that's why we keep evolving our words and meanings. Its why I find the
    insistence on a singular meaning for a word, at all times and all places,
    to be boggling. I think the same applies to other disciplines like
    philosophy. Some sophistication isn't bad. When you are addressing an
    audience that does philosophy on a regular basis, you can feel a bit more
    legitimate to take a few conceits, like assuming they know who Kant and
    Plato are. This isn't to badmouth writers who write for laypeople. Those
    are good. The best thing Pirsig has done is get people interested in
    philosophy. However, if they dive right into heavy philosophy, they are
    likely to get the impression that all current philosophy (even the
    philosophers we like and think are crystal clear) is degenerately
    over-jargonized. But I think this is more of a wrong step and attitude,
    then a necessary truth. You simply have to read some more intros to
    philosophy, become acclimated to the scene. If you are still interested
    after the intros, maybe try the actual philosophers themselves.

    Matt

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