Re: MD what is a fact?

From: Elizaphanian (elizaphanian@tiscali.co.uk)
Date: Mon Mar 31 2003 - 18:40:51 BST

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    Hi David,

    I think you're still using a naive understanding of what a 'fact' is. For
    example, I would imagine you consider the word 'muscle' to be unambiguous
    and non-metaphorical? Yet it derives from the Latin musculus meaning 'little
    mouse' - and gains its force from the resemblance between the bicep and said
    creature. Vast tracts of our language begin as metaphor and become 'fact' -
    something which the shrub/tree analogy has ample room and compatibility
    with, whereas the mother/child distinction has problems.

    Our discussions of myth should go back to the Kingsley thread, I think,
    which has gone off the boil a bit. My fault, probably.

    Sam

    The actual outlook is very dark, and any serious thought should start from
    that fact. (George Orwell)

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "David Buchanan" <DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 11:35 PM
    Subject: RE: MD what is a fact?

    >
    > Platt, Sam and all,
    >
    > Sam asked:
    > Do you think there is a difference between how a fact is characterised in
    > SOM thinking, and how it is characterised in the MoQ? If so, how would you
    > describe that difference?
    >
    > DMB says:
    > Since you've started a new thread, maybe you're raising a new issue. But
    > just to be clear, the distinction between myth and fact is hardly related
    to
    > truth claims. Facts, in this sense, are not even necessarily true. A fact
    is
    > a statement that can be demonstrated to be true OR false, while a myth is
    > NEITHER true NOR false. If I say, "My friend Sam is a rock", that is a
    > metaphor - just as a myth is a metaphor. To read such a statement as a
    fact
    > renders it absurd and impossible. It would mean that you are a dislodged
    > chuck of hardened sediment or crytalized minerals. The distinction between
    > myth and fact is not about what's true and what's not, its just about two
    > different forms of expression. To make this distinction is only to make
    the
    > simple assertion that for some things have to be read symbolically, and
    not
    > literally, in order to make intellectual sense. Facts are intended to be
    > taken literally, while myths are not.
    >
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