Re: MD What's the difference?

From: johnny moral (johnnymoral@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue May 06 2003 - 03:44:24 BST

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    Hi Platt,

    I think morality most concisely conveys the idea of the collection of
    existing patterns that supply words with meaning than those other words do.
    Reality conveys the idea of "objective reality" and sort of leaves meaning
    out of the equation, whereas morality, being associated with human behavior,
    more strongly conveys the idea of meaning and understanding. Experience is
    associated with the individual, subjective reality. Morality is in the
    middle, not objective, not subjective. The Tao is also "the middle way" and
    is the word CS Lewis used for morality in Abolition of Man (read it yet?).

    Btw, it was pretty sly of you coming up with a second word you left out,
    just to further slight morality every chance you get and deny me any
    satisfaction. "Value" is just about the most benign word in the entire
    language. Just can't bear to salute morality as the meaning of it all, can
    you? It goes against your libertarian theology.

    Johnny

    >From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@sc.rr.com>
    >Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    >To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    >Subject: Re: MD What's the difference?
    >Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 16:33:57 -0400
    >
    >Hi Johnny,
    > > I'm wondering why you didn't include morality in your list :( The most
    > > relevant point that Lila makes is that reality is morality, it even says
    > > "an inquiry into morals" right on the cover.
    >
    >Since I included Quality I didn't think it was necessary to also include
    >morality. Pirsig makes it clear that Quality is the same as morality. At
    >the end of Chap. 7 in Lila he writes:
    >
    >"Because Quality is morality. Make no mistake about it. They're
    >identical."
    >
    >But, I have no problem with adding "Morality" as well as "Value" if you
    >think they make the list more clear and complete.
    >
    > > PS, I'd say they all mean pretty much the same thing, just from
    > >different
    > > perspectives relating to the knowledge available from that perspective
    >and
    > > moral conventions of understanding an individual consciousness's place
    >in
    > > the world. The word you left out is the word that supplies the
    >differences
    > > in meaning of all those words.
    >
    >I don't understand how "morality" supplies the differences in the meaning
    >of
    >all those words, especially since Quality, morality, value, reality,
    >experience, etc. appear to be identical in the MoQ. Recall the hot stove
    >example where "The value itself is an experience."
    >
    >Platt
    >
    >
    >
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