Re: MD What's the difference?

From: MATTHEW PAUL KUNDERT (mpkundert@students.wisc.edu)
Date: Wed May 07 2003 - 06:08:58 BST

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    Steve,

    Steve said:
    The MOQ is the context-less context. It is looking at Quality from the
    outside. Quality from the outside looks just like morality as Pirsig said,
    "They're identical." But morality is not equal to Experience. Morality is
    what Quality *looks* like. It is seen from point of view rather than
    experienced. The MOQ context divorces Quality and Experience.

    Quality=Experience is the view from within only, and it only applies to the
    ZAMM Quality insight not to the MOQ of Lila.

    Lila's version of the MOQ is about a detached view of Quality. It sees
    patterns of value from some outside point of view which ZAMM's Quality
    insight says does not exist. Since Reality = Experience there is no
    detached view.

    Matt:
    I think this is a good description of the difference between ZMM and Lila. It spells out pretty succinctly why I think ZMM is the better piece of philosophy because pragmatists deny that we can divorce Quality from Experience. They affirm that "there is no detached view." Any view claiming to be detached is simply another attached view. Where I disagree with Steve is that he thinks Lila was fruitful in trying to do metaphysics i.e. trying to detach Quality from experience, trying to have a "context without a point of view." I think it is retrogressive, pulling a good post-modern insight back into a modern vocabulary.

    Matt

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