From: Paul Turner (pauljturner@yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Mon May 19 2003 - 11:36:52 BST
Hi Squonk
> The Quality event is at once a coalescence and a
> differentiation. If you pick one answer you lose the
> insight of the other. Lila has Quality and Quality
> has
> Lila. As Mr Herrigel lamented: 'Is "It" spiritual
> when
> seen by the eyes of the body, and corporeal when
> seen
> by the eyes of the spirit-or both or neither?'
>
> Hello Paul,
> I find this suggestion to be very exciting.
> Thanks for your insight and support. It worries me
> that i may be confusing
> myself and others? But you see something in this
> also?
I do, and I find confusion sometimes signals the
breaking down of rigidly held views prior to insight,
of course it can also mean we're barking up the wrong
Bodhi tree!
> The complimentary view of coalescence, (or what ever
> we may wish to call it,
> and which may be a non-starter in any case), seems
> to me to come right out of
> the MoQ.
I am finding the coalescence-differentiation
complement really useful as I feel it describes the
DQ-SQ relationship in terms of movement and lifts me
out of thinking in terms of one 'thing' acting on
another. You know what I mean?
(There may be resonance's with Plotinus and
> Spinoza? But i
> discovered these later, and they are well
> established western views.)
I find resonances everywhere, too many, in a way! It
can become a hobby of it's own, 'resonance spotting'
:-)
> I wish
> to say that the anthropocentric view you explore is
> exciting, and if i could
> offer only a fraction of the support you have shown
> me, i should be very
> happy.
Thanks, this thread has been really useful. The
anthropocentric view is really just a fallout from
trying to see how Pirsig's ideas matured. I am trying
to see how he goes from his enthusiastic agreement
with Protagoras - 'Man is the measure of all things'
to an evolutionary hierarchy which predates man in
terms of its scope. Maybe it was a bit of 'resonance
spotting' on Pirsig's behalf!
Another way to look at it is, is differentiation a
'human' thing? Did it begin at the MoQ social level?
Do you see what I'm getting at?
cheers
Paul
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