From: SQUONKSTAIL@aol.com
Date: Tue May 20 2003 - 14:11:36 BST
Hi Squonk, Paul, and All,
joe: I ponder your words of 13 May 2003 1:46 PM, Squonk, and it takes me
awhile to respond.
A metaphysics, MoQ, does not explain how I know, it only focuses my attention
on the most basic things that I know. A knowledge of dq and sq implies a
knowledge based upon intuition, and an instinctive sense of reality. I desc
ribe how I know from within, feeling assured that others have a like
experience, and can move the conversation outward. I move from abstraction
as the basis for words to an explanation of forming a dq-sq pattern as a
basis for words. I am only explaining my 'view from within'. An artist
focuses on patterns in a different way. His method of expression is his
'view from within'.
sq: Hello Joe. I think i understand.
If I talk about the gravity field generated by a planet attracting an
atmosphere which protects the planet in collisions witrh other celestial
bodies am I talking about a 'view from within'? When a major league pitcher
studies his pitching motion is this a 'view from within'? When I question
the difference between inorganic and organic ordrs from the point of view of
evolution, is this a 'view from within'?
sq: I agree. If we are going to say something then something else has to be
denied? I suppose i try to adopt a view that denies a little as possible?
Maybe that is the best we can do, and doing it is an art?
"To see a world in a grain of sand." Evolution crosses severe boundaries,
does it become 'a view from within'? Food, also crosses severe boundaries,
and is not mistaken as a 'view from within'. Probably a 'view from within'
should be abandoned if it is supposed to be precise.
sq: I must agree with you. But there are points where the line is blurred?
The Carbon atom - is it organic? Is it Inorganic? Carbon is where it all
happens?
Is the severe boundary "an extreme example of a more universal process?" How
do I know the 'more universal process'? Do I know it in the same way as I
know severe boundaries? I am forming patterns for words and I use an analogy
to gravity to describe the presence of a vessel of awareness to use the
patterns, and memory to hold them. One of the aspects of the pattern is dq
which is latched by the sq pattern. With quality forming the patterns, I
pour with more confidence from the empty into the void. I have no pattern
for existence. In Art, "There is nothing new under the Sun!" Education
wastes my time by only training my memory muscle. I have other muscles that
need to be strengthened.
sq: Heaven knows i can understand the vacuity of some education
establishments, if not the system altogether. David Hume adopted a 'gravity
of the mind' analogy also? You are in good company there Joe! And i like the
analogy.
In art there are patterns formed which borrow their structure from another.
How careful I must be to say that god, existence, quality, purpose have no
pattern, and only art can give them a pattern. Art is a pattern. With
quality as the pattern builder "it may be a general assumption of the MoQ
that all patterns rely upon each other." They come from the same source.
"and maintaining a SoM view from within is selfish and extreme." Art Rocks!
Joe
sq: Art certainly does rock! Endlessly rocking!
squonk
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