Re: MD The Eudaimonic MoQ

From: Paul Turner (pauljturner@yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Sat May 24 2003 - 18:14:47 BST

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    Hi Wim and Sam

    > You argued that:
    > 'The DQ innovation and static latch which enabled
    > the social level to come
    > into being was the development of human language,
    > and human language is par
    > excellence an example of symbol manipulation.'
    > and that therefore the standard account of the MoQ
    > cannot clearly
    > distinguish between the 3rd and the 4th level.
    > IF the 3rd level separates from the 2nd level when
    > human language develops,
    > IF human language is understood as symbolic language
    > and IF manipulation of
    > symbols is characteristic for the 4th level, then
    > the 3rd and 4th levels are
    > not discrete. IF we need 4 levels and IF
    > manipulation of symbols is
    > characteristic for the 4th level, then the 3rd level
    > cannot start with
    > (symbolic) language.

    With regard to the distinction between the 3rd and 4th
    levels, has the distinction between 'particular' and
    'universal' or 'general' be explored?

    Social patterns of value may be considered
    'particular' - this place, that river, this horse,
    that light up there - and as such requires no
    'symbolic' level, it is always related to particular
    experience. Social interaction such as communication
    and limited learning can happen through specifics -
    words for particular experience, copying rituals,
    making copies of artifacts and weapons, learning the
    'geography' of your environment, even copying cooking
    and hunting techniques.

    Intellectual patterns of value are 'universal' or if
    you prefer 'general' - location, rivers, horses, stars
    - and then onto 'abstract' patterns - freedom, justice
    - and things like geometry, astronomy, mathematics and
    philosophy.

    What do you think?

    cheers

    Paul

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