RE: MD MOQ human development and the levels

From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Sun Jun 01 2003 - 14:34:27 BST

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    DMB:

    > dmb said:
    > > In fact, one of
    > > the most prominant and important features of the higher levels is an
    > > increasingly wider perspective, so that the individual identifies with
    > > increasingly larger and broader communities, from the family to the
    > village
    > > and from the nation the world, etc..
    >
    > Platt replied:
    > I must have missed this conclusion in "Lila." In what chapter might I find
    > a passage where Pirsig claims that a feature of the higher levels is an
    > individual's identification with "larger and broader communities?"
    >
    > dmb answers:
    > I was talking about your pal Ken Wilber and cognitive development in
    > general, Lila. Pirsig doesn't get into such psychological specifically, but
    > I do think we can see it in the MOQ. I posted some Wilber that explains
    > this increasingly broader indentification and compared that hierarchy with
    > the MOQ's. Its thread name is "development and the levels" and was posted
    > just a few minutes ago. I'd be happy to discuss it if...

    I thought so. Nothing in the MoQ says that individuals who identify with
    communities uplift themselves to a higher evoluntionary level. In fact,
    identifying with groups any sort--village, nation, global, whatever--is a
    step backward on the evolutionary ladder to social level values. To escape
    from the suffocating bonds of the Giant, collectivism and "social
    construction of reality" was the value force behind the rise of the
    intellectual level and the recognition in the U.S. of the sovereignty of
    the individual. Wilber's "Sensitive Self" with it emphasis on community
    and human bonding (hey comrade) sounds like it was lifted right out of the
    Communist Manifesto.

    Platt

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