Re: MD 'unmediated experience'

From: johnny moral (johnnymoral@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Jun 02 2003 - 18:32:30 BST

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    HI Glenn,

    You ask:

    >Reaching page 110 today, I wonder if anyone felt bad when,
    >at page 100, Phaedrus, our hero truth seeker, strategizes,
    >"He'd better not tell her he'd already had breakfast"?
    >I would go into this more: It resonates on my home front.

    Yes, I think we are supposed to. My mom couldn't enjoy Zen and the Art
    Motorcycle Maintanence because she felt it excruciating the way he treated
    his son Chris (he was so withholding and distant to poor Chris, who just
    wanted him to be normal) and I think that tension was also intended. He
    could have made his character a very thoughtful guy who invited Lila to
    breakfast, or at least brought her back some food, but such social customs
    have been subverted in him by his constant intellectualizing, by the book
    he's thinking about. He can't even argue with Rigel properly, he just sits
    there. He's unable to maintain expected social customs and bothers a long
    list of people as he floats through their world. I think we are supposed to
    notice that. Even if neither Phaedrus or the natrrator makes the
    connection, I think Pirsig does, just by letting us see his thoughtlessness
    sometimes.

    Johnny

    >From: "Glenn Scheper" <glenn_scheper@earthlink.net>
    >Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    >To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    >Subject: Re: MD 'unmediated experience'
    >Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 02:12:28 -0700
    >
    > > Hello Glenn, An overdue reply to this.
    >
    >Not at all, Sam! Your reply has had many beneficial effects:
    >-- Asking my opinion by name made me feel good, and welcome.
    >-- It helped me to know if my delurking post was a taken as
    >some shot over the bow, or as a pebble dropped into an abyss.
    >-- It made me buy and start on Lila, our admission ticket.
    >
    >Reaching page 110 today, I wonder if anyone felt bad when,
    >at page 100, Phaedrus, our hero truth seeker, strategizes,
    >"He'd better not tell her he'd already had breakfast"?
    >I would go into this more: It resonates on my home front.
    >
    >
    >Your essay on the possibility of unmediated experience,
    >http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/elizaphanian/unmediated.htm
    >is the very topic I hope to contribute and explore here.
    >
    >To what extent you explored my web site, you would know
    >that I had a psychosis in 1976, arising, in my opinion,
    >from a moment of direct gnosis: an unmediated experience
    >that exceeded my capacity then to tolerate, understand or
    >distribute such non-intuitive(*), a priori(*) knowledge.
    >
    >(*)A layman with an Internet acquaintance to philosophy,
    >I have to remind myself why I used these terms, by citing
    >this one of several interlinked philosophy expositions:
    >http://www.friesian.com/immedi-1.htm
    >Non-Intuitive Immediate Knowledge
    >
    >To defend my insights from a totalizing psychologizing
    >perspective, I must demonstrate that they convey things
    >I could not conceive of from my then naivete, such as
    >foreknowledge or correctly positioned mythic knowledge.
    >These evidences would be signs of transcendent idealism:
    >tapping non-analytic propositions, or truths, beyond my
    >ability to generate them by my experience, and therefore
    >evidence of God, or at least, some QM sharing mechanism.
    >
    >Yours truly,
    >Glenn Scheper
    >http://home.earthlink.net/~glenn_scheper/
    >glenn_scheper + at + earthlink.net
    >Copyleft(!) Forward freely.
    >
    >
    >
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