From: Buff .. (buffinasia@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Jun 03 2003 - 14:20:18 BST
Hi PI Phyllis, Nic, et Al.
I agree with PI, I think 'absolute perfection' is a non-sequitur allowed to
exist by the descriptive inability of SOM. Absolute perfection is the final,
purely static, unchangeable,unattainable, hell that goal oreinted SOM is
attempting to force us towards. MOQ allows us to see more high quality by
moving away from mechanistic patterns of value & by being inclusive of
parallell truths.
Absolute perfection cannot exist usefully- in order to be absolute the
perfection must be unchangeable, this means it would not be open to dynamic
change, with time it's quality will lessen, which will make it imperfect!
Absolute perfection can only exist without time.We'd need to be petrified to
attain it - anyone read 'ode on a grecian urn' by John Keats? I think this
will explain my point more memorably to the Romantics amonst us.
Be;well.
Buff.
"hell is a place on earth when the Good men do nothing"
>From: Pi <pi@mideel.ath.cx>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>Subject: Re: MD quality-man made or natural?
>Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 04:23:43 +0000 (GMT)
>
>
>Hi August,
>
>I would have to disagree. I don't think there is any thing called
>"absolute perfection". A tree is not a tree (as we usually define it) to a
>person who has never seen one. The tree is different for this person.
>Perhaps this person is blind and only knows a tree by the way it sounds
>(during a windy night) or the way it feels. It is a perfect tree for this
>person; Just like how it is a perfect tree for you. But it is *not*
>absolute.
>
>Similarly, 'a' is just a bunch of squigly lines to a person who doesn't
>read english (or any syntactically similar language). Perhaps it is not
>even a bunch of lines for this person if they do not know the concept
>of lines! 'a' is still "perfect" for this person.
>
>Anyway, the real point I want to stress with these examples is that
>absolute perfection does not exist because we all do not share
>intellectual patterns. If we did, there would be no need for a discussion
>forum. ;) An object you touch/see/feel/smell/taste is only there as a
>static intellectual pattern.
>
>And, yes, I do agree with the later part about "relative perfection". I
>think I have reinstated that point with the examples above.
>
>Take care,
>
>- Pi
> http://pirsig.ath.cx
>
>
>On Sun, 1 Jun 2003, August West wrote:
>
> > Pi;
> >
> > I think Nic may mean "perfect" in the sense that
> > trees are always trees; that an object is an object;
> > that a is a, is always perfect. This is a definition
> > of "perfect" that is absoulte. Writing a perfect essay
> > would however, be relative; as you indicated. It is
> > however, not impossiable to be "realtively perfect".
> > i.e. an essay that accomplishes all its goals would be
> > "relatively perfect".
> >
> > -August
> > --- Pi <pi@mideel.ath.cx> wrote:
> > >
> > > Another thing I would like to point out is that
> > > there no `absolute
> > > perfection'. When you say "...the perfection in any
> > > essay...", you seem to
> > > be referring to some absolute definition of
> > > perfection. As I understand
> > > it, the definition of perfection is very relative to
> > > our own static
> > > patterns of quality. For example, I believe that
> > > Pirsig's ZMM is an
> > > excellent book, but obviously everyone who has read
> > > the book does not
> > > share this opinion.
> > >
>
>
>
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