Re: MD Free Will

From: Wim Nusselder (wim.nusselder@antenna.nl)
Date: Thu Jun 05 2003 - 07:08:55 BST

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    Dear Steve & Scott & others involved in this thread,

    Steve wrote 4 Jun 2003 18:28:47 -0400:
    'Free Will seems to be one of those SOM Platypi--the sort of issue that gets
    resolved in the MOQ.'

    Pirsig indeed pretends to have dissolved this platypus in chapter 12 of
    'Lila':
    'In the Metaphysics of Quality this dilemma doesn't come up. To the extent
    that one's behavior is controlled by static patterns of quality it is
    without choice. But to the extent that one follows Dynamic Quality, which is
    undefinable, one's behavior is free.'

    Steve continued:
    'It seems that the question, "do we have free will" needs to be unasked
    within the MOQ context. Or at least reworked.
    In the MOQ, a sense of free will is an intellectual pattern of value. It
    can be recognized whenever we think, "I did it because..." a phrase which is
    the basis of all intellectual patterns of value since they are latched as
    copied rationales'.

    Scott gave 4 Jun 2003 19:22:15 -0600 as alternative reworking of the
    question:
    'I suggest replacing the phrase "free will" with "creativity". And only
    Quality is creative. We are just local passageways for creativity to be
    creative. We make a mistake by trying to own it, which leads us to wonder
    how much "freedom" we have. One can just as well say we have none or we have
    all. The error is to think that there is some "thing" called "me" that "has"
    choices. The choices exist in their own right.'

    I prefer Scott's reworking to Steve's.
    To the extent that one's behavior follows intellectual patterns of value
    (i.e. can be redescribed as motivated action) it is still determined even
    though from a social level perspective (compared with habitual, unthinking
    behavior) it is free (from social patterns of value).
    Would you agree with substituting 'Dynamic Quality' for 'Quality' however,
    Scott? That would associate 'DQ' with 'creativity' and 'static quality' with
    'the created' and 'Quality' with all of existence/experience. Indeed:
    existence is then 'creation' without 'creator' or other 'choosing unit
    with/without Free Will'.

    With friendly greetings,

    Wim

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