From: Pi (pi@mideel.ath.cx)
Date: Tue Jun 10 2003 - 17:27:23 BST
Johnny,
I would have to disagree with your statement "We do things for reasons,
everything happens for a reason". Reason is a static intellectual pattern.
It is there to *explain* what just has happened. Recall Pirsig's hot stove
example.
Take care,
- Pi
On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, johnny moral wrote:
> Hi Nic,
>
> You asked me:
>
> > I'm sorry , are you really trying to argue that having free will means
> >that you cannot have your mind changed by a reasoned argument , thats
> >ridiculous .
>
>
> It is free will that is ridiculous. We do things for reasons, everything
> happens for a reason. Reasoned arguments can and do change our will. Free
> willers seem to believe that they can do things in spite of reasons, as you
> said, by a part of us that resides outside the universe. I do not believe
> that anything resides outside the universe. I believe the future is
> dependent on the past and present. I think it is ridiculous and
> irresponsible to believe otherwise.
>
> Johnny
>
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