From: Scott R (jse885@spinn.net)
Date: Tue Jun 10 2003 - 18:36:20 BST
Sam,
> Hence I view emotions as playing a role at the fourth level, so to say the
emotional response is
> redundant as we become more intellectual is to perpetuate an
intellectualist fallacy...
I would say yes, but argue that the fourth level is about responding to
different emotions. Different enough that they are not considered by most to
be emotions. One is reason. (Another might be curiosity.) Just as the
feeling of shame happens immediately, so does the ability to distinguish
between what appears to one as rational or irrational. Almost all the time,
we don't feel reason *as* emotion because we are only dealing with familiar
static patterns. The exception is the Aha experience. That is a uniquely
fourth level emotion.
For example :-)
> "Phaedrus is fascinated too by the description of the motive of 'duty
toward self' which is an
> almost exact translation of the Sanskrit word 'dharma', sometimes
described as the 'one' of the
> Hindus. Can the 'dharma' of the Hindus and the 'virtue' of the Ancient
Greeks be identical?" - The
> Eudaimonic MoQ says yes. "Lightning hits!"
By the way, Pirsig doesn't mention it, but I believe another word that
descends from RT is reason (through 'ratio').
Appreciation of an art object -- even more the creation of one, is also
pretty obviously in this category.
Well, that's Truth and Beauty, what about Good? I would say it is the
feeling one gets on helping one's neighbor without thought of social
obligation or social approval.
So, yes, emotion is at work on the fourth level, but it is important to see
that the 3rd and 2nd level emotions do not. Rather, they impede.
This, by the way, is what I find objectional in much modern Christian
theology. It seems to try to preserve 3rd level emotion, by treating
religion as a way to respond to them, rather than learning to change one's
ideas so they don't arise. Not that it is that simple.
- Scott
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