From: August West (augustwestd@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed Jun 11 2003 - 21:15:17 BST
Scott,
I thought of something else.. you say "mind" as in the
"not distinguishing"
I say:
Isn't distinguishing what the mind does? Right now I
am looking around and distinguishing different keys on
a key board and looking at a screen and if I turn my
head a bit to the left I could distinguish all sorts
of objects thourgh the window.. cars, trees, grass,
kids playing with a ball, the ball is in motion.. when
I say the phrase to make a choice.. I am not saying I
make a choice.. curiously enough... this means I
decide a course of action. The choices exist in their
own right.. but they are distinguished in what I call
my mind. If they weren't how could I know they even
exist, they would have to "stand out" as you say.
> > Hi Scott, August and All,
> >
> > Scott:
> > I am saying that I do not distinguish an "I" from
> > the choices (and all other
> > events occurring in what I call "my mind", such as
> > the "not
> > distinguishing").
> >
> > > In this view, the word "I" is to be considered
> > only as what linguists call
> > > anaphora: the locating in space and time of
> where
> > the saying,
> > > distinguishing, choosing occurs.
> >
> > The word "exist" means to "stand out". In that
> sense
> > I exist (my body can be
> > seen, what I say can be heard). But I do not
> assume
> > that I have what
> > Buddhists call self-existence: any sort of
> > permanence. To think otherwise is
> > to be a dualist: there is an "I" and there is the
> > choice.
> >
> > But to think that I am only a location of mental
> > events would seem to be
> > contradicted by memory, or more generally,
> > continuity. When I wake up in the
> > morning, I "remember who I am". Or I can hear a
> note
> > of a song. If there is
> > no continuous "I" what makes it possible that I
> hear
> > the whole note, and not
> > feel 440 changes a second of air pressure? Or how
> > can I distinguish one
> > change in air pressure -- that is, there had to be
> a
> > state of low pressure,
> > then a state of high pressure. How did the two
> > states get connected? (To say
> > the brain connects them just pushes the problem
> into
> > the brain: the nerve
> > cells are in one state then another, and maybe
> there
> > is another nerve cell
> > that only gets excited when those two other states
> > occur. So what detects
> > the difference between an excited nerve cell and
> an
> > unexcited one? Only
> > another nerve cell.)
> >
> > > If space and time are fundamental, there is no
> way
> > they can get connected.
> > > Yet they are connected. Therefore, space and
> time
> > are not fundamental.
> > > Otherwise, one has to say that in every
> perceptive
> > act I transcend space
> > and
> > > time. But to do so puts us back in dualism:
> there
> > is a non-spatio-temporal
> > I
> > > that has the power to observe spatio-temporal
> > events.
> >
> > Well, that's no good, so what I think is the case
> is
> > that the act
> > ofobservation creates the spatio-temporality of
> > events. And, to avoid
> > solipsism, the same act creates the "I".
> Likewise,
> > the choice creates the
> > particular typed words and the "I". (That is, the
> > solipsist can say that I
> > create the events, while what I am suggesting is
> > that what we call "things
> > and events" are all fundamentally
> > non-spatio-temporal and it is the act of
> > observation that turns them into spatio-temporal
> > things and events. For what
> > it's worth, this also provides a consistent
> > interpretation of quantum
> > weirdness.).
> >
> > joe: I am trying to describe an instinctive
> > sensing of reality, which is a
> > way of knowing the indefinable. In that
> description
> > I must distinguish
> > between Patterns which are created by dq static
> > latching to sq, and Patterns
> > of the indefinable which are generated by a
> > mystical, artistic sense. How
> > can I distinguish them? "Free Will" or "Free
> > association" is the
> > distinguishing mark of a mystical or artistic
> > capability.
> >
> > In every patern there is dq and sq. In the
> mystical
> > artistic pattern the dq
> > is a part of the individual knower's pattern.
> > Existence is indefinable and
> > is only an aspect of a pattern unless I accept
> > infinite regression. I can
> > define "existence" as "standing out" only by a
> > metaphor to my own
> > indefinable "existence", which is then included in
> a
> > pattern of "existence."
> >
> > Is the gravity field generated by a body
> > indefinable? Yes, since it cannot
> > be separated from the fody. Yet I know it as a
> > force, and I artistically
> > describe it with mathematics.
> >
> > Purpose is a specific direction to a force, and
> DNA
> > generates an indefinable
> > "purpose" in an indefinable "gravity". In a way
> the
> > organic level can be
>
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