Re: MD SOM and the soc/int distinction

From: Wim Nusselder (wim.nusselder@antenna.nl)
Date: Thu Jun 12 2003 - 06:57:07 BST

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    Dear Sam,

    23 Apr 2003 15:12:39 +0100 you tried to clear up our misunderstandings with
    a concrete example:
    'Tom Cruise is a celebrity - what is being celebrated through that process?'

    The social level can be described as behavior of Tom and his fans expressing
    status differences. Motivations for that behavior don't belong to the social
    level, so nothing is being celebrated there.
    The intellectual level can be described as the reasoning (or unreasonable
    utterances) by which his fans rationalize their behavior. They invent
    something to celebrate, some subjective characteristic of their idol. The
    copying of that characteristic constitutes an intellectual pattern of value.
    Both the choice of Tom (at the social level) and the choice of the
    subjective characteristic to celebrate (at the intellectual level) are
    arbitrary in my understanding of the MoQ. The 'value' that makes me speak of
    'patterns of value' consists of the stability, versatility and harmony with
    higher-level 'patterns of value' of these patterns of behavior and
    reasoning.

    You also wrote:
    'I would say that the bare bellies' reproduction, compared to worship
    reproduction, signifies the scale of
    values that are dominant in the particular society (bare bellies being more
    important for that society). Do you disagree with that?'

    I disagree. It only signifies that now other media (i.e. mass media) are
    available that weren't available (or to a lesser extent) before and that
    lend themselves better to reproduce bare bellies than worship. Their
    'importance for society' is an a posteriori rationalization that's part of
    the 4th level. The fact that they're being copied (unthinkingly) is their
    only value that's relevant for the 3rd level, the copying creating a society
    of copiers.

    With friendly greetings,

    Wim

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