From: SQUONKSTAIL@aol.com
Date: Mon Jun 30 2003 - 21:04:58 BST
Skutvik (for it is he):
Pirsig's words: " ..and one can think without involving the subject/object
relationship..etc." is the very point. Early humankind NOT emerged from the
social stage had the same mental capacity as ourselves. So if "thinking" -
as such - is identified with the intellectual LEVEL it makes nil of the
social
part of the MOQ. This argument is repeated by Squonk as if it refutes (our)
position! It's frustrating! Pirsig also says "the subject/object LEVELl" He
regards the S/O divide a value level, not merely an intellectual pattern. How
is that?
sq: Pirsig says: "I don't think the subject-object level is identical with
intellect.
Intellect is simply thinking, and one can think without involving the
subject-object relationship. Computer language is not primarily
structured into subjects and objects. Algebra has no subjects and
objects."
Perhaps it is because you do not speak English as a first language that you
misunderstand. I believe dmb does not speak English as a first language either?
Perhaps this is a phenomenon new to on-line forums? If English is the primary
language used, then those using English as a second language may be open to
misunderstanding?
Maybe it is not merely a coincidence that you and dmb support each other?
As far as making nil of the social level is concerned - i can see you feel it
would if you feel the intellect is the S/O divide. But as intellect is not
the S/O divide you are misunderstanding.
squonk
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