From: johnny moral (johnnymoral@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Jul 01 2003 - 17:59:00 BST
>Hi Sam,
>
>Regarding the difference between levels 3 and 4 you asked:
>
> > I think your position makes some sense out of the tensions in the
>standard
> > account, but doesn't it erode the 'discrete' nature of levels 3 and 4?
>
>I think the discrete nature of levels 3 and 4 comes from how one tests
>one's knowledge and/or behavior. You know you're in the social level when
>your test is, "Does society approve?" You know you're in the intellectual
>level when your test is, "Do I approve based on my experience, logical
>consistency and economy of explanation."
Dear Platt,
This strikes me as the worst of all possible ways to differentiate the
levels, it seems primarily designed just to disrespect social values, and it
doesn't even work. Doesn't hugging your wife (social pattern) meet your
approval based on experience, logical consistency, and economy of
explanation? Doesn't not murdering someone meet your approval? Doesn't
society approve of democracy and law and other intellectual patterns?
And I question again the idea of people being "in the social level" or "in
the intellectual level" - the patterns are in the levels, people are
entirely in level two and never get themselves out of level two. The
patterns of level three and four will not die when a person "of that level"
dies, just as the pattern may have been there before the person was born.
Johnny
PS, I still think scale has something to do with the difference in patterns.
Level three patterns are on a person to person scale and apply to small
groups, level four patterns take a birds-eye view of society and apply
themselves to society (and societies) as a whole.
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