From: SQUONKSTAIL@aol.com
Date: Mon Jul 07 2003 - 22:22:17 BST
I contend Skutvik advocates a divisive doctrine.
The divisions lead to the moral assertion that the West is superior to the
East.
I wish to stress this - Skutvik's definitions are not only unnecessary, they
lead to the morally justifiable assertion that the West is superior to the
East. Skutvik defends his definitions, AND he fails to acknowledge cultural and
racial division.
Thus, if Skutvik's doctrine is socially approved by the forum, the forum must
also understand that this doctrine has ramifications for cultural and social
divisions.
This is not to say that Skutvik's doctrine must be ignored on purely cultural
and divisive grounds. If Skutvik's doctrine is approved, its ramifications
need to be understood. It's not just up to Skutvik, its up to everyone who
approves of the Skutvik doctrine.
Skutvik:
Pirsig says that quality and celebrity WAS equal in the age when
Society was "the leading edge" of existence.(he only mentions
"celebrity", there were other). In the more remote past when Biology
was top notch IT was reality itself. Right now Intellect is at the front
and its value is perceived as Reality (regardless of how we define its
value). This you deny!? With followers like your Pirsig doesn't really
need opponents.
sq: This is your opinion. If it is has social approval, it will lead to the
social approval of a divisive and racist doctrine which leads to the moral
assertion that the West is superior to the East.
Skutvik:
OK, you did not express it that way. From 27June (to Scott R.)
> The significance of Greece in ZAMM is the emergence of reason. That does
not even require Subjects and Objects, as you
> point out with your example of mathematics. These relationships (3-4-5,
etc.) were originally incorporated into
> religious practice, but later seen as immutable like the Gods.
"The significance of Greece in ZAMM is the emergence of reason." ...
you correctly say, but this is also described as the emergence of
SOM. Please explain, and no "Comical Ali" antics this time.
sq: No explanation would alter the fact that you are advocating a doctrine
with cultural and racial divisions along Quality lines. Or, to put it a way even
a child would understand, If you are correct, you, and anyone who agrees with
you is a racist.
Skutvik:
You repeatedly paint yourself into corners and then try to escape by
some smokescreen ..now it is racism ..but you are not to be let off
your own hook that easily.
sq: Mr. Pirsig's ideas are not painted into a corner. They are consistent up
to the point where ignorance and bigotry reject Eastern intellectual
aesthetic.
You advocate cultural and racial division along lines of Quality. I cannot
think of anything more serious in a forum such as this. If Quality is used for
the doctrinal rejection and enslavement of anothers' intellectual and cultural
inheritance, then it must be discussed with gravity, not dismissed as a bad
joke. After a number of replies you have failed to acknowledged the problem of
racism, and your rhetoric indicates disturbing evidence of a total disregard
for the consequences of your ideas.
You defend your doctrine, which is your prerogative. But the cultural and
racial division must be acknowledged also. You are turning a blind eye to it.
That is all it takes for racism and bigotry to flourish.
This matter is urgent and requires the input of all members. If the majority
of the forum agree with Skutvik, i will leave. For i do not wish to be
associated with a forum advocating this stuff. It is the opposite of why i explore
Quality, and i can explore Quality with people who do not use it to diminish
huge tracts of intellectual history.
So, let's have it? I will take a null response as an affirmation of the
inherent racism in Skutvik's doctrine. That way there can be no individuals singled
out for bullying.
squonk
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