Re: MD Patterns of value.

From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Tue Jul 08 2003 - 18:16:02 BST

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    Hi Steve, (Matt)

    Going back a ways:

    > Steve:
    > I've been trying to think why you would suggest that I was dealing with
    > Platonic forms when I suggested the more precise language of patterns of
    > value. Perhaps the disagreement lies in the definition of "pattern."
    >
    > Are you thinking of a pattern as a mold or a model of an original? I'm
    > not. I think of patterns in the mathematical way as perceptual structures.
    > Perceiving a pattern is inferring a causal rule in the case of SOM science
    > and is inferring a value in the case of the MOQ. (Pirsig suggests
    > redefining science as the study of stable patterns of value.) Either way
    > the inference is made as recognition of repetition of similar experience.
    > We infer the values that possess a person by the choices we observe a
    > person making. Such inference may only be possible by recognizing patterns
    > in the choices that a person or group of people make. Does that way of
    > thinking about patterns help you see the case for talking about patterns of
    > values?

    Not really. I can't help but think of people when I think of patterns,
    just as your explanation involves people such as mathematicians,
    scientists, Pirsig, persons, and groups of people. Perhaps I'm hung up on
    Matt's "context" because to his way of thinking, we're always stuck in
    some context or other, and for me the context isn't history like for Matt,
    but people. In other words, such and such is true, but only in the context
    that a person says so.

    I know. That's ridiculous. So I am going to reexamine my position. I'll
    try to dispel the fog of context, whether that context be people, history
    or a passing breeze, by using the light of my intellect, infinitesimal as
    that might be.

    Platt

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