Re: MD Patterns of value.

From: MATTHEW PAUL KUNDERT (mpkundert@students.wisc.edu)
Date: Fri Jul 11 2003 - 22:01:53 BST

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    Platt,

    Platt said:
    There's a wonderful line in Note 126 of Lila's Child where Pirsig says, "The answer provided by the MOQ is that pain, like hearing and vision and smell and touch, is part of the empirical threshold that reveals to us what the rest of the world is like."

    I find "empirical threshold" and "the rest of world" to be a important ideas (intellectual patterns). Whatever you or I claim as true about reality from our empirical threshold has to apply to us since we're inevitably a part of what we're trying to describe. (Ask not for whom the bell tolls.)

    So when you claim that our patterns of value are contingent (dependent)on our place in history, it appears you're assuming a empirical threshold stance outside of history which, by your own claim, you're not supposed to do.

    Matt:
    I don't catch the paradox. I'm pretty sure part of my empirical threshold is my experience of my place in history. As far as I can see, as I think Johnny would say, it is a truism to say that our patterns of value are contingent on our place in history. I didn't go anywhere, I just looked around, looked at a few history books, noted some dissimilarities, made the contingent turn, and said, "Hey, I'm rooted in my history, my analogies built on analogies."

    Matt

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