RE: MD The Giant (types of patterns/types of people)

From: Erin N. (enoonan@kent.edu)
Date: Sun Jul 13 2003 - 02:33:54 BST

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    >===== Original Message From moq_discuss@moq.org =====
    >Steve and all MOQers:
    >
    >Steve said:
    >I think what you are pointing out is a significant limitation of merely
    >thinking of the levels as types of people. Doing so can't even distinguish
    >the unabomber from Ghandi! But DMB will probably supply some Wilbereze to
    >"clarify" using such words as...
    >
    >dmb replies:
    >We don't Wilber to tell the difference between Ghandi and the unabomber.
    >Pirsig spends some time talking about the difference between evolutionary
    >contrarians and mere criminals. As examples, he writes of the Brujo, Ghandi,
    >lincoln, John Browne, the Bohemians and hippies, and he writes of his own
    >role as a cultural contrarian. Sometimes its hard to tell the difference
    >between moral RE-generation and moral DE-generation, but not in this case.
    >Ghandi expanded freedom for millions and served the process of life through
    >peace and wisdom while Ted spread fear and death for a cause all his own.
    >Slam dunk. No brainer. Color me judgemental, but I think its obvious. Also,
    >I'd again concede that clarity is a good thing, but I find it almost
    >unimaginable to think of social or intellectual values, without thinking of
    >specific and concrete examples. Pirsig hardly does anything else...
    >

    DMB,
    It was not being debated who was more moral. That is a no brainer of course.
    It was about the intellectual level dominating somebody.
    Yes the Unabomber was mentally ill and yes he was intellectually dominated.
    Yes Lila was mentally ill and yes she was biologically dominated.
    Who would you rather live next to you?
    Classifying people according to the levels doesn't help.

    erin

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