RE: MD The Giant (types of patterns/types of people)

From: Erin N. (enoonan@kent.edu)
Date: Sun Jul 20 2003 - 01:46:16 BST

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    >Erin and all:
    >
    >Erin said:
    >did you notice how each character changed a little
    >at the end. Is it at all possible that Pheadrus
    >could have changed too.
    >I guess I see Pirsig stirring pot with all three
    >characters. But to you Phaedrus is perfect and
    >there is no room for growth. Phaedrus is a character to me. Pirsig is the
    >author of that character. I put the quote from Pirsig about he was
    >disappointed
    >that people thought he was Pheadrus. That he
    >was Pheadrus, Rigel, and Lila. Therefore I do put a
    >little more weight on what I hear comes out of his mouth
    >directly/ what is said more recently.
    >
    >dmb says:
    >More weight? Yea, if it were relevant to the question at hand, but I don't
    >see how this is related. Nobody disputes that Pirsig is the author, that the
    >characters are fictional. As far as I know, nobody is saying that
    >intellectual people are pure, without biological or social dimensions. As I
    >understand it, by definition, intellecutal values are built on the lower
    >ones and so there is no such thing as a purely intellectual person. All
    >intellectuals will have a Lila and a Rigel within them, so to speak. But
    >none of this has no bearing on what you not ask me about Lila's status. What
    >Pirsig says about Lila in the book, that "intellectually, she's nowhere" is
    >not contradicted by any of that. Its not even the same topic.
    >

    DMB,
    its the same conversation over and over.
    I see lila as being able to manipulate symbols
    so yes i think she is somewhere on the
    the intellectual level.
    Do you not agree with his definition,
    do you not think she is capable of symbol manipulation?
    Phaedrus never defined the intellectual level,
    Pirsig did.

    erin

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