RE: MD Intellectual patterns? huh?

From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Sun Jul 20 2003 - 02:43:39 BST

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    Platt asked Scott:
    A bit off the subject, but since you often refer to mathematics as a kind
    of touchstone in your thinking, have you a theory as to why an
    intellectual level value like math has such great explanatory power of
    inorganic level values? It seems physics and astronomy are 98 percent
    math.

    dmb butts in:
    Its that cosmic order thing. Inorganic patterns and the intellectual
    descriptions of them Both reflect DQ in different ways. Check out the number
    mysticism of the Pythagorians. It goes way back

    Platt said:
    My solution, at least for the present, is where intellect stops, values
    begin.

    dmb says:
    Oh, really? Then why does Pirsig call them intellectual patterns of VALUE?
    Why does he so often use the phrase "intellectual values"? If values only
    begin where intellect stops, then why does he refer to the intellectual
    level as the highest level of static quality. Values go all the way up and
    down. That's all there is.

    Platt said:
    For me, thinking that worries about what society thinks is dominated by
    the social level. Thinking that cares less about what others think but
    follows "objective" standards like mathematics, logic, computer programs,
    scientific studies, etc. is dominated by intellectual values.

    dmb says:
    How about sociologist? Don't they worry about what society thinks? How about
    political scientists? I get your point, but wouldn't it a little better to
    say something like,... People dominated by social values are conformists who
    do not seriously question convention. They are often religious and
    patriotic. They're usually interested in age-old uncontroversial goals
    like power, fame, fortune, honor, etc. I mean, it seems there are several
    ten of millions of examples, hundereds of which are on TV or are otherwise
    widely known. If we want to talk about specific examples, there is no
    shortage. Let's start with the millions who call themselves Christians or
    conservatives. I think its safe to say that you'll find lots of examples
    there.

    Thanks.

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