From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Mon Jul 21 2003 - 13:21:51 BST
Hi Johnny,
> I think if a cave man, alone in his cave, calculates mathematically or
> reasons logically about something like where to sleep so the water doesn't
> drip on him in if it rains, it is a biological thought, even though it
> "doesn't care what society thinks". Even if he constructs himself an
> elaborate set of levers and pulleys to make himself a hammock, it's still
> biological, not intellectual. As soon as he thinks, I gotta show the other
> cave-men, this will really help our society stay dry, it is an intellectual
> thought. He may have been thinking that all along, if it had started as
> "hmm, how can I help society stay dry at night" and then he had invented
> the hammock to fit the need using his biological faculties and talents, it
> would be the other way around.
When my dog rigs up a hammock to sleep in, I'll confess to "biological
thought." Until then he's a biological pattern without a thought in his
head, just a dumb dog, albeit a "good dog."
> >They are often also voter blocks, like blacks, union members and trial
> >lawyers.
>
> Not sure exactly what you mean here, but I think the strong social
> restrictions on people in the "identity politics" movement might be another
> example. They give up so many freedoms in order to be a good example of
> whatever group they most identify with.
Yes. Voter blocks and identity politics are the same.
> Have you read what Kaczynski wrote about the "over-socialized" people,
> "leftists" who want to join a group for the collective pleasure?
I don't read stuff by people who blow other people up. But if he said
that, he's on to something.
> But I agree that most athiests and liberals today are so because they have
> followed the wide superhighway of social patterns laid out for them. They
> aren't the originators of the thoughts about society (no one really is, the
> thoughts emerge from other thoughts as soon as they collide in the right
> proportion in someone's head) they are just propogators of the idea, which
> they do socially, because it establishes them as cool people at dinner
> parties.
True.
Platt
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