Re: MD And now for something not very different at all

From: Steve Peterson (peterson.steve@verizon.net)
Date: Fri Jul 18 2003 - 19:15:59 BST

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    Squonk, Scott, all,

    > [Scott prev]> It is when I rationally object to a social pattern
    >> that I deem harmful (e.g., too much television watching among
    >> Americans, too much "my country right or wrong", etc.) that (or so I
    >> hope) I am in a fourth/third level conflict. When I shout "free love"
    >> I am deluding myself on that score. And so on. There is no evidence
    >> of this kind of rational objection to the contemporary mythos before
    >> 500 BC and plenty afterwards. Hence I see the emergence of the fourth
    >> level at that time.
    >>
    >> squonk: I agree, we are talking about rationality not intellect.
    >

    > It is a choice of how we wish to use the words. As I've said before, if we
    > use "intellect" as "symbol manipulation" then we must find some other
    > terminology for identifying the fourth level.
    >

    Steve:

    Rationality is a type of intellect. Why not see intellect as manipulation
    of symbols as Pirsig says and see that the first purpose of all that
    manipulation was to create rationales for behavior? Rationales may be
    reasonable or not by whatever standards we have, but the test of reason
    creates only a subset of all intellectual patterns.

    Thanks,
    Steve

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