Re: MD The Intellectual Level

From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Fri Jul 25 2003 - 20:13:57 BST

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    Hi Jonathan, Ian,

    > Hi Ian (+ Rick, Bo and all),
    >
    > In response to your post, all I have to add is AMEN!!!!
    >
    > Jonathan
    >
    > (I don't usually approve of "me too" posts, but in this case your post was
    > so good that I couldn't resist)
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Ian Glendinning" <ian@psybertron.org>
    > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > Sent: Friday, 25 July 2003 18:00
    > Subject: RE: MD The Intellectual Level
     
    > > Bo, Rick,
    > >
    > > I kind of lose exactly who's quoting who saying what in here.
    > > The circular argument you appear to be having is ....
    > >
    > > (1) MoQ describes Patterns of Quality (including Intellectual ones). (2)
    > > MoQ is itself an Intellectual Pattern. (3) 1 and 2 are "recursive".
    > >
    > > My short response is agreed, and where's the problem ?
    > > (I like self-describing models.)
    > >
    > > If you're looking for a metaphysics that has some holy water sprinkled on
    > it
    > > from outside human (intellectual) experience, then MoQ must surely be the
    > > most unlikely place to expect to find such an absolutist, objective
    > "thing".
    > >
    > > What is necessary with self-describing models is some bootstrapping. But
    > > this is a pragmatic issue, and the model is valid without any particular
    > > bootstrap.
    > >
    > > Of course anyone whose quest is to find a bootstrap for the whole
    > > universe (multiverses, whatever) will be disappointed with this, but I'm
    > > happy to take any sets of boundary conditions I can find to fit the model
    > > consistently anywhere along the cosmic / geologic / biologic /
    > anthropologic
    > > timeline. Seems to work pretty well for me.
    > >
    > > Ian

    If you two are happy to settle for half a loaf, fine. But, that's no
    reason to put down those who seek the whole enchilada.

    Platt

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