From: Jonathan B. Marder (jonathan.marder@newmail.net)
Date: Fri Jul 25 2003 - 16:25:53 BST
Hi Ian (+ Rick, Bo and all),
In response to your post, all I have to add is AMEN!!!!
Jonathan
(I don't usually approve of "me too" posts, but in this case your post was
so good that I couldn't resist)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Glendinning" <ian@psybertron.org>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Friday, 25 July 2003 18:00
Subject: RE: MD The Intellectual Level
> Bo, Rick,
>
> I kind of lose exactly who's quoting who saying what in here.
> The circular argument you appear to be having is ....
>
> (1) MoQ describes Patterns of Quality (including Intellectual ones).
> (2) MoQ is itself an Intellectual Pattern.
> (3) 1 and 2 are "recursive".
>
> My short response is agreed, and where's the problem ?
> (I like self-describing models.)
>
> If you're looking for a metaphysics that has some holy water sprinkled on
it
> from outside human (intellectual) experience, then MoQ must surely be the
> most unlikely place to expect to find such an absolutist, objective
"thing".
>
> What is necessary with self-describing models is some bootstrapping. But
> this is a pragmatic issue, and the model is valid without any particular
> bootstrap.
>
> Of course anyone whose quest is to find a bootstrap for the whole universe
> (multiverses, whatever) will be disappointed with this, but I'm happy to
> take any sets of boundary conditions I can find to fit the model
> consistently anywhere along the cosmic / geologic / biologic /
anthropologic
> timeline. Seems to work pretty well for me.
>
> Ian
>
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