From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Sat Jul 26 2003 - 16:44:17 BST
Ian,
> No putdown intended, just wanted to flush out starkly, that the "MoQ as
> universal bootstrap" was indeed what certain members are seeking. Call me
> impatient if you like, but whilst I genuinely find the whole enchilada
> interesting, I need to be able to segregate that search from more immediate
> pragmatic value.
Thanks. I get you point. But, watch our for those pragmatic values. Pirsig
gave this warning in Lila, Chap. 29:
"The Holocaust produced a satisfaction among Nazis. That was quality for
them. They considered it to be practical. But it was a quality dictated by
low level static social and biological patterns whose overall purpose was
to retard the evolution of truth and. Dynamic Quality. James would
probably have been horrified to find that Nazis could use his pragmatism
just as freely as anyone else, but Phaedrus didn't see anything that would
prevent it."
I recall reading somewhere that "efficiency is not a moral value." I don't
think it was Pirsig, but it did make me stop and think.
> Having said that, my view of any meta-physics is that it will always be an
> "intelllectual pattern", even if it purports to describe the world beyond
> (and including) that pattern, so I cannot see how the argument will ever
> not be recursive. (Perhaps I should read Rick's latest.)
No doubt the MOQ is an intellectual pattern. But I think Pirsig escapes
the recursive argument. In his SODV paper he writes:
"Finally, though it may be argued that a metaphysics that incorporates a
central term that isn't defined (i.e. Dynamic quality) isn't a real
metaphysics, it can also be argued that the strength of the MOQ is its
ability to incorporate the indeterminate divine within a coherent and
logical paradigm."
Platt
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