Re: MD economics of want and greed 4

From: Wim Nusselder (wim.nusselder@antenna.nl)
Date: Thu Aug 28 2003 - 22:24:34 BST

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    Dear Ian,

    I see the parallel now between Maslow and Pirsig. Maslow seems to apply
    quite another metaphysics however (stating explicitly that all behavior is
    determined in the 1943 article I referred to).

    Pirsig wrote ('Lila' ch. 12):
    'This classification of patterns is not very original, but the Metaphysics
    of Quality allows an assertion about them that is unusual. It says they are
    not continuous. They are discrete. They have very little to do with one
    another. Although each higher level is built on a lower one it is not an
    extension of that lower level. Quite the contrary. The higher level can
    often be seen to be in opposition to the lower level, dominating it,
    controlling it where possible for its own purposes.'

    I don't particularly like the 'opposition', 'domination', 'controlling' and
    'purposes' sentence. It antropomorphizes the levels more than my
    understanding of them allows.
    Do you think Maslow's levels of needs are as discrete and discontinuous as
    Pirsig's levels? How do you see the relation between 'patterns of value' and
    'needs'?

    With friendly greetings,

    Wim

    ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
    Van: "Ian Glendinning" <ian@psybertron.org>
    Aan: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Verzonden: donderdag 28 augustus 2003 20:00
    Onderwerp: RE: MD economics of want and greed 4

    > You're right Wim, I did just latch onto one point that already interested
    > me, rather than looking for what your point was. Sorry about that,perhaps
    I
    > should have changed the thread title.
    >
    > I'm surprised the parallel between Maslow and Pirsig isn't more obvious to
    > more people. It smacked me right between the eyes the first time I read
    > Pirsig.
    >
    > Satisfaction of basic physical / biological needs at the lowest level
    > Satisfaction of social needs in the middle.
    > Satisfaction of individual self-fulfillment / intellectual needs at the
    top.
    >
    > What I was trying to say is that there is a strong parallel, even if there
    > isn't a one to one mapping between specific levels, or any direct link
    > betwen the two.
    >
    > (The evolutionary psychology bit is another story, as you say.)
    >
    > Ian Glendinning

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