Re: MD Forked tongue

From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Sat Aug 30 2003 - 20:48:00 BST

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    Hi

    Interesting, I was thinking about, for example, driving a car where you are
    learning and everything is new it is very difficult and you have to be very
    conscious and this is a sort of dynamic situation, and when you have learnt
    how to drive you can do it without conscious attention and just perform
    static patterns unconsciously. Or when can talk in worn out phrases without
    much thought but it is harder stuff to use words in a new context or invent
    a new metaphor, although, of course, when great break throughs are made in
    thinking people have often said that they seem to come out of nowhere or
    they have had a dream about them -I think a number of scientists have talked
    this way. Clearly the intellectual level develops and lays down new static
    patterns, but what about the creation of a new static pattern, this, surely,
    requires dynamic quality.

    DM

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@sc.rr.com>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 3:26 PM
    Subject: Re: MD Forked tongue

    > Hi DM,
    >
    > Welcome to the club. You asked:
    >
    > > Is it correct to link consciousness with dynamic events and
    > > unconsciousness with static patterns?
    >
    > I can't find anyplace where Pirsig answers your question directly, but
    > my guess is that he would link consciousness to static intellectual
    > value patterns and unconsciousness to static biological value patterns.
    >
    > As to the nature of consciousness, In Lila's Child, Note 32, Pirsig
    > writes:
    >
    > "Since the MOQ states that consciousness (i.e. intellectual patterns) .
    > . ."
    >
    > As to the nature of the unconscious, since its main role is to control
    > automatic bodily functions such as breathing, digestion and memory, I'd
    > link it to the biological level.
    >
    > What Pirsig links to Dynamic Quality is pre-intellectual, direct,
    > immediate experience.
    >
    > Platt
    >
    > "The indefatigable pursuit of an unattainable perfection-even though
    > nothing more than the pounding of an old piano -- is what alone gives a
    > meaning to our life on this unavailing star."--Logan Pearsall Smith
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