From: abahn@comcast.net
Date: Thu Sep 04 2003 - 03:08:34 BST
Platt and Squonk,
Before we get all gusshy over all of our appreciations of beauty...
Platt asked:
"If we all would witness our experiences as being within a continuum of
beauty, how much richer might our lives might be?
and Squonk rejoices:
"However, now and again, i see a vision of what the world might be like if our
children learned to value beauty from an early age? It is a shining vision -
illuminating in its freedom. Freedom?
Yes! Freedom!"
Andy: Why do you both think valuing beauty is something that can be taught?
Platt, doesnt't this contradict your vision of quality? Why is the MOQ
necessary for it? I thought beauty just is. What would it matter if everyone
had the same appreciation for it? And Squonk--please tell me how you managed to
link beauty to freedom. In what sense are you using freedom?
just curious,
Andy
> Ah. Nicely put, Squonk. This is precisely the sort of response I was
> hoping for in asking those who contribute to this site how the MOQ has
> changed their worldview in their everyday life.
>
> You description of the figure cast in bronze reminded me of a similar
> response I had to a polished bronze sculpture by Brancusi in the Museum
> of Modern Art in New York entitled "Flight." It was a completely
> abstract form, but it instantly I knew it was the "reality" of flight
> itself.
>
> Later I read that Brancusi said, "They are imbeciles who call my work
> abstract; that which they call abstract is the most real, because what
> is real is not the exterior form but the idea, the essence of things."
>
> Clement Greenberg, a famous art critic once said:
>
> "Esthetic judgments are immediate, intuitive, undeliberate and
> involuntary and leave no room for conscious application of standards,
> criteria, rules or precepts."
>
> If that isn't a good description of Dynamic Quality I don't know what
> is.
>
> If we all would witness our experiences as being within a continuum of
> beauty, how much richer might our lives might be?
>
> Best,
> Platt
>
> Hello Platt,
> I like your Clement Greenberg quote. Excellent.
> And your experience of the Brancusi sculpture speaks volumes in value terms.
> I must admit that i am a bit of an idealist - not in the philosophical sense,
> but in the sense of wishing for a world that may not be possible. However,
> now and again, i see a vision of what the world might be like if our children
> learned to value beauty from an early age? It is a shining vision - illuminating
> in its freedom. Freedom?
> Yes! Freedom!
> Those who value beauty - Quality, above all, are indeed free don't you think?
> You asked how DQ-SQ - the language of the MoQ has changed my life through
> personal experience? Well, i have left a job that paid above average wages, and
> have suffered a great drop in social status to follow philosophy, art and the
> MoQ. And how may that be quantified in fiscal terms! It's ridiculous isn't it?
> We all are forced to accommodate our cultural expectations? But i say:
> migrate to that which motivates and inspires you if you can, and make good that
> which is thrust upon you. And above all, indicate Quality to as many people as
> one
> can - everyone already feels it, but those cultural expectations may have
> clouded things a bit?
>
> Please forgive me Platt, i am rambling.
> If you have any other experiences, i should very much like to hear of them?
> And will not anyone else contribute their experiences of Quality to the forum
> also? Robert Pirsig suggests that philosophy isn't worth a damn if one cannot
> apply it to one's experience.
>
> All the best,
> squonk
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