From: August West (augustwestd@yahoo.com)
Date: Fri Sep 05 2003 - 17:28:12 BST
Squonk,
Let there be light!
This explanation makes much better sense to me; or
that is to say, your total explaination makes sense
now because that one question was answered. It was
answered well too (music is my zen). So quality exists
in the patterns (biological, social, and intellectual)
before I percive it. ACE! That can work.
Exploration of Pink Floyd using the MOQ you say..?
...My wheels are turning!
-August
--- SQUONKSTAIL@aol.com wrote:
> Platt, Squonk, All
>
> > So instead of thinking "something implies a
> subject
> > and a object,"
> > think "something implies static patterns of
> value."
>
> Isn't it like this:
>
> something implies static patterns of value
>
> something also implies subject/ object?
>
> I say this because:
>
> If I percieve something this implies "me" and
> "something"; a subject and an object. The whole time
> we are looking for quality we are looking for
> something whether its a feeling or something
> physical.
> Quality isn't and cannot be nothing, it has quanity.
>
> In existance you are something or you are nothing.
> Pirsig, I think was right when he said quality is
> undefineable.
>
> There may be static patterns of value in the mind,
> but
> so what, you can't define it because subjects and
> objects have different values to different people
> (at
> different times in their lives).
>
> "Us and them, who can deny its what the fighting's
> all
> about"
> -Pink Floyd
>
> Us, subject
> them, object
> fighting, dynamic quality
>
> I think that this works much better, subject/object,
> is the static here.
>
> Just wondering, I've always felt there was something
> wrong with the MOQ and I'm testing new things, which
> is my purpose on this list. I don't have a huge
> beef
> with Pirsig, I'm just like the cat, I love the high
> country of the mind. I'm minus a motorcycle thou, I
> prefer a Caddy, easier on the body makes for easier
> on
> the mind.
> Thoughts?
>
> -August
>
> Hi August,
> The Floyd quote is germane in that the division
> (bell)! implies social and
> biological status. Much of Water's lyrics centre on
> biological (drugs) and
> social (the wall) patterns, and the Dynamic tension
> between them.
> So, there is a thesis for you: 'An exploration of
> the works of Pink Floyd
> using Robert Pirsig's Metaphysics of Quality.'
> The Intellectual Symbolic representation of Social
> and Biological patterns of
> value is reinforced by values at those levels.
> Subjects and Objects are then, as you recognise,
> static patterns of
> intellectual value. However, they are creations of
> the intellect and as such are
> aesthetic preselection based upon harmony according
> to the MoQ. We do not have to
> use subjects and objects, we may choose to use the
> language of DQ-SQ tension.
> On a personal note, which i always feel is a
> valuable way of discussing these
> things, i find it exceptionally helpful to examine
> experience in terms of
> DQ-SQ.
>
> All the best,
> squonk
>
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