From: SQUONKSTAIL@aol.com
Date: Tue Sep 02 2003 - 20:07:08 BST
Platt, Squonk, All
> So instead of thinking "something implies a subject
> and a object,"
> think "something implies static patterns of value."
Isn't it like this:
something implies static patterns of value
something also implies subject/ object?
I say this because:
If I percieve something this implies "me" and
"something"; a subject and an object. The whole time
we are looking for quality we are looking for
something whether its a feeling or something physical.
Quality isn't and cannot be nothing, it has quanity.
In existance you are something or you are nothing.
Pirsig, I think was right when he said quality is
undefineable.
There may be static patterns of value in the mind, but
so what, you can't define it because subjects and
objects have different values to different people (at
different times in their lives).
"Us and them, who can deny its what the fighting's all
about"
-Pink Floyd
Us, subject
them, object
fighting, dynamic quality
I think that this works much better, subject/object,
is the static here.
Just wondering, I've always felt there was something
wrong with the MOQ and I'm testing new things, which
is my purpose on this list. I don't have a huge beef
with Pirsig, I'm just like the cat, I love the high
country of the mind. I'm minus a motorcycle thou, I
prefer a Caddy, easier on the body makes for easier on
the mind.
Thoughts?
-August
Hi August,
The Floyd quote is germane in that the division (bell)! implies social and
biological status. Much of Water's lyrics centre on biological (drugs) and
social (the wall) patterns, and the Dynamic tension between them.
So, there is a thesis for you: 'An exploration of the works of Pink Floyd
using Robert Pirsig's Metaphysics of Quality.'
The Intellectual Symbolic representation of Social and Biological patterns of
value is reinforced by values at those levels.
Subjects and Objects are then, as you recognise, static patterns of
intellectual value. However, they are creations of the intellect and as such are
aesthetic preselection based upon harmony according to the MoQ. We do not have to
use subjects and objects, we may choose to use the language of DQ-SQ tension.
On a personal note, which i always feel is a valuable way of discussing these
things, i find it exceptionally helpful to examine experience in terms of
DQ-SQ.
All the best,
squonk
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