Re: MD Self-consciousness

From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Fri Sep 05 2003 - 19:16:58 BST

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    Hi Platt

    I agree that there is experience before language, ditto Pirsig,
    but I say that 'world' or 'cosmos' is something that can occur in thought
    only after language. Is there knowledge before langauge? Instincts-yes,
    knowledge built into every cell of your body-sort of. But conscious
    knowledge?
    I imagine you need language for conscious knowledge? What do you think?

    DM

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@sc.rr.com>
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    Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 2:04 PM
    Subject: Re: MD Self-consciousness

    > Hi David M,
    >
    > > I think language is key, it is key to there being a world,
    > > Man/Being/Language come together in the human-life-world, think about it
    > > before Man/Language what world was there? Heidegger is my source for all
    > > this. Before language there may have been experience, but no world. And
    > > before experience? What can we say about that?
    >
    > I don't get your point. It's a truism to say without language there
    > wouldn't be a "world" because the word "world" is cast in language.
    > There's plenty of experience, knowledge and understanding that occurs
    > without language of any kind. In fact, the MOQ is based on an
    > assumption of pre-verbal world of pure experience we're confronted with
    > all the time.
    >
    > Platt
    >
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