From: Sam Norton (elizaphanian@tiscali.co.uk)
Date: Mon Sep 08 2003 - 13:25:13 BST
Hi Matt,
Ah - I thought there was something else there. The only reason I'm reluctant to become a fully paid
up pragmatist is that I'm already a fully paid up (literally!) Christian, and I'm not sure the two
are ultimately compatible. I see lots of good things in pragmatism though. I suppose I'm just more
in sympathy with the mystical side of things than you are, although I suspect you see it as an
essentialist view, which I don't think it is. Anyhow, that can all be pursued at another time. I
still haven't gotten round to reading Rorty...
Cheers
Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: "MATTHEW PAUL KUNDERT" <mpkundert@students.wisc.edu>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: MD Pirsig and Peirce
> Sam,
>
> Connections based on phonics? You're starting to sound like Derrida ;-)
>
> The differences I was thinking of were just the little ones that we were left with just the other
day when we were discussing it for the first time. I haven't actually thought about it since then,
so as far as I know they stand as:
>
> I think there should be five levels, ala:
> Inorganic level - non-replicating persistence (rocks)
> Biological level - replicating persistence (cells)
> Social level - non-linguistic semiotic behavior (tigers)
> Intellectual level - linguistic semiotic behavior (humans)
> Eudaimonic level - autonomous behavior (citizens of bourgeois nations)
>
> What I think you objected to was the placement of tigers at the third level. Besides that I think
its mainly your reticence at becoming fully pragmatic. I just wanted to make reference to the fact
that, though you, myself, and Marco would all appear to think that language is a social activity
(cudos to us), we still are quite divergent (in the case of myself and Marco) to a bit divergent (in
the case of you and I) in the way we interpret the MoQ.
>
> Matt
>
>
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