From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Mon Sep 08 2003 - 18:39:48 BST
Hi Andy
Let me join this as I am very familiar with Rorty
as Matt knows. I am anti-essentialist so agree with
pragmatism up to a point, then I wish to allow
for having a relationship with Be(com)ing, I see this as
a sacred relationship, and I see Be(com)ing/Quality (or
Being in Heidegger) as radically anti-essentialist. For
me this is a commitment to both Being and anti-essentilism and for me it is
derived from ontological
phenomenalism, where experience=reality and where
this is an inseparable package of Man/Language/Being
for their to be any world at all.
Regards
DM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Norton" <elizaphanian@tiscali.co.uk>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: MD Pirsig and Peirce
> Hi Matt,
>
> Ah - I thought there was something else there. The only reason I'm
reluctant to become a fully paid
> up pragmatist is that I'm already a fully paid up (literally!) Christian,
and I'm not sure the two
> are ultimately compatible. I see lots of good things in pragmatism though.
I suppose I'm just more
> in sympathy with the mystical side of things than you are, although I
suspect you see it as an
> essentialist view, which I don't think it is. Anyhow, that can all be
pursued at another time. I
> still haven't gotten round to reading Rorty...
>
> Cheers
> Sam
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MATTHEW PAUL KUNDERT" <mpkundert@students.wisc.edu>
> To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 7:54 PM
> Subject: Re: MD Pirsig and Peirce
>
>
> > Sam,
> >
> > Connections based on phonics? You're starting to sound like Derrida ;-)
> >
> > The differences I was thinking of were just the little ones that we were
left with just the other
> day when we were discussing it for the first time. I haven't actually
thought about it since then,
> so as far as I know they stand as:
> >
> > I think there should be five levels, ala:
> > Inorganic level - non-replicating persistence (rocks)
> > Biological level - replicating persistence (cells)
> > Social level - non-linguistic semiotic behavior (tigers)
> > Intellectual level - linguistic semiotic behavior (humans)
> > Eudaimonic level - autonomous behavior (citizens of bourgeois nations)
> >
> > What I think you objected to was the placement of tigers at the third
level. Besides that I think
> its mainly your reticence at becoming fully pragmatic. I just wanted to
make reference to the fact
> that, though you, myself, and Marco would all appear to think that
language is a social activity
> (cudos to us), we still are quite divergent (in the case of myself and
Marco) to a bit divergent (in
> the case of you and I) in the way we interpret the MoQ.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
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