From: Yale Landsberg (yale_landsberg@yalelands.com)
Date: Thu Sep 11 2003 - 19:27:17 BST
You are both not looking deeply enough into what is meant by performing a
step vs. what is meant by taking a leap.
----- Original Message -----
From: "MATTHEW PAUL KUNDERT" <mpkundert@students.wisc.edu>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: MD Evolution of levels
> Bo,
>
> Bo said:
> A child is an autonomous individual even if it is from a set of parents?
But will - even if living to be a hundred - remain their child. Also, it
may enter a career that is different from - even damaging to - the family
tradition? Isn't this a valid analogue?
>
> Matt:
> I have no problem with the parent/child analogy insofar as it would seem
that Pirsig would take it to mean "each higher level is built on a lower
one," and I don't think Paul has a problem with this either. I don't think
that is what's at issue. The issue is not where the child/level originates
from, but how it originates. The parent/child analogy works for your
interpretation because the child, for the first nine months, is an extension
of the parent before it becomes (biologically) autonomous. However, I'm not
so sure that that is what Pirsig has in mind. The "it is not an extension
of that lower level" addendum on the aforementioned quote would appear to
favor a discrete origin. You say, "any point of departure will never be
determined," but, again, I'm not so sure.
>
> I'm not sure about Pirsig, but the issue between Paul and Bo is that Paul
is interpreting a "leap" and Bo a "muddle". Bo sees a gestation period in
which a potential new level is fairly indistinguishable from the old level
until suddenly *pop*, out it comes. Paul sees a sharp line, a launching pad
where the level leaps off from.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
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