From: Yale Landsberg (yale_landsberg@yalelands.com)
Date: Sat Sep 13 2003 - 18:02:21 BST
Andy, more and more I see that I was grossly mistaken about my opinion of
you and your quality of exploration. So I greatly aologize in public here
for my misguided and totally wrong, flip remarks to you.
Needless to say I completely agree with what you are saying below. And
while you are not inclined to do so, please note that I wrote my Fractal
Philosophy paper about things like "the softest of software" and an
underlying ethos inherent in at least some categories of changes only for
deep and unsatisfiable courageous thinkers like you -- and the relatively
few seekers like you and me and I dare say Patrick, who have less than the
average need to cling to what we currently believe, and a more than average
desire to not hold for too long any successor beliefs we may wish to play
with for a while.
Regards., Yale
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: MD Illusions--Richard Bach's creatures
> Hi Platt,
>
> Yes, I have witnessed your interpretation of the MOQ being all about
morals on
> this site for some time now. I appreciate your perspective Platt, but I
don't
> agree with it. Although, I think morals are important to the MOQ, I don't
think
> they were intended by Pirsig to be fixed and absolute. At least, I don't
want
> to read Pirsig this way.
>
> I also liked "Jonathan Livingston Seagull" by Bach and I agree this would
make a
> nice metaphor for the MOQ. I remember JLS, the protagonist, straying off
from
> the rest of the gulls, society, in order to discover his calling. The
rest of
> the gulls were gathered around landfills and beaches, feeding for scraps
and
> trash wherever they could find it. All the while JLS was off by himself,
all
> alone, practicing flight maneuvers while neglecting his biological and
societal
> needs. This journey JLS took is very analogous to being bounced along the
> rocks, alone, away from society. :-)
>
> Thanks for your thoughts
> Andy
> > Hi Andy,
> >
> > Your "swimming in the stream" metaphor and explanation says nothing
> > about morals. So to claim it's a metaphor for the MOQ is a stretch to
> > say the least. The MOQ is all about morals. Your conclusion seemed to
> > be that it's better not to cling to one set of beliefs, a conclusion I
> > presume we shouldn't cling to either. But I didn't see any rationale
> > to support that conclusion.
> >
> > The MOQ states as an axiom that some things are better than others,
> > then proceeds to answer what, where, when, how and why that axiom
> > creates the world. A good metaphor of the MOQ would do the same, or at
> > the least suggest that the MOQ is about morality, not about "letting go
> > of society."
> >
> > Anyway, I liked Richard Bach's "Jonathan Livingston Seagull" metaphor
> > better. I'd rather fly with the angels than bump along the bottom of a
> > stream. :-)
> >
> > Platt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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