Re: MD Dealing with S/O

From: MATTHEW PAUL KUNDERT (mpkundert@students.wisc.edu)
Date: Mon Sep 15 2003 - 22:50:06 BST

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    Paul, Scott,

    A quick quip--

    Paul said:
    In a nutshell, it seems to me that trying to bring Coleridge/Barfield and Pirsig together doesn't work and doesn't help in understanding the vocabulary of either.

    Scott said:
    I think I agree.

    Matt:
    Ah, poo poo on you both! I say, bring together whoever you like and see if anything interesting pops out. And, I would say at least on the surface, something interesting can be pulled out of Pirsig-Coleridge or Pirsig-Barfield colligations. Scott's been pulling around Barfield long enough for me to think so.

    Scott said:
    But worse than this is that there is no creativity allowed for me (or for Shakespeare, for that matter), since all creativity, that is, the production of new static patterns of value, is assigned to DQ. Thus, the MOQ seems to be on a par with Calvinist predestination.

    Matt:
    You see, I think this is wonderful. Judging that, because this is reasoning as to why Scott likes Barfield better than Pirsig, this came from Scott's comparison of Barfield and Pirsig, I think this is ripe fruit. Because I too would criticize the MoQ in the same fashion because I too think it runs the risk of predestination if we read Pirsig as a Hegelian (and granted I am very familiar with the passage where Pirsig disavows himself from the Hegelian Absolute Spirit; the issue isn't what Pirsig thinks he's doing, but what he actually ends up doing). Scott came to this from a different place, but I think it fruitful nevertheless. Its why I read "DQ" as a post hoc compliment as undefinable as "truth" and "good" and "beauty".

    Matt

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