From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Tue Sep 16 2003 - 19:21:25 BST
Hi Scott
Perhaps you can take possession of DQ
or rather its so close to you, you could not be
human without it. SQ too of course.
regards
David M
----- Original Message -----
From: "MATTHEW PAUL KUNDERT" <mpkundert@students.wisc.edu>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: MD Dealing with S/O
> Paul, Scott,
>
> A quick quip--
>
> Paul said:
> In a nutshell, it seems to me that trying to bring Coleridge/Barfield and
Pirsig together doesn't work and doesn't help in understanding the
vocabulary of either.
>
> Scott said:
> I think I agree.
>
> Matt:
> Ah, poo poo on you both! I say, bring together whoever you like and see
if anything interesting pops out. And, I would say at least on the surface,
something interesting can be pulled out of Pirsig-Coleridge or
Pirsig-Barfield colligations. Scott's been pulling around Barfield long
enough for me to think so.
>
> Scott said:
> But worse than this is that there is no creativity allowed for me (or for
Shakespeare, for that matter), since all creativity, that is, the production
of new static patterns of value, is assigned to DQ. Thus, the MOQ seems to
be on a par with Calvinist predestination.
>
> Matt:
> You see, I think this is wonderful. Judging that, because this is
reasoning as to why Scott likes Barfield better than Pirsig, this came from
Scott's comparison of Barfield and Pirsig, I think this is ripe fruit.
Because I too would criticize the MoQ in the same fashion because I too
think it runs the risk of predestination if we read Pirsig as a Hegelian
(and granted I am very familiar with the passage where Pirsig disavows
himself from the Hegelian Absolute Spirit; the issue isn't what Pirsig
thinks he's doing, but what he actually ends up doing). Scott came to this
from a different place, but I think it fruitful nevertheless. Its why I
read "DQ" as a post hoc compliment as undefinable as "truth" and "good" and
"beauty".
>
> Matt
>
>
>
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